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		<title>by: Johnny Carroll</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-170797</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If the USA stood still for 1 day, meaning every red blooded american stayed home on any given day,no police, no mail, no trucks, no groceries, no parties, no cabs, no buses, etc. The impact would be huge, the polution factor, the gas consumption, the crime, the death rate of traffic accidents, no road rage, etc; Not a very easy plan to make work, however, it would sure as heck work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the USA stood still for 1 day, meaning every red blooded american stayed home on any given day,no police, no mail, no trucks, no groceries, no parties, no cabs, no buses, etc. The impact would be huge, the polution factor, the gas consumption, the crime, the death rate of traffic accidents, no road rage, etc; Not a very easy plan to make work, however, it would sure as heck work.
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		<title>by: Adam Messinger</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-59924</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 20:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;@mad dog:&lt;/strong&gt; See comment number 4 on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adammessinger.com/2007/05/14/no-gas-day-wont-work&quot; title=&quot;Another post about No Gas Day&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; for some of the drawbacks and pitfalls of hydrogen power. I agree that it's promising, but it's far from perfect.

As for the electric grid going nuclear, I think that's a terrible idea. Fusion power simply doesn't work yet, and fission produces toxic byproducts that remain dangerous for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@mad dog:</strong> See comment number 4 on <a href="http://www.adammessinger.com/2007/05/14/no-gas-day-wont-work" title="Another post about No Gas Day" rel="nofollow">this post</a> for some of the drawbacks and pitfalls of hydrogen power. I agree that it&#8217;s promising, but it&#8217;s far from perfect.</p>
<p>As for the electric grid going nuclear, I think that&#8217;s a terrible idea. Fusion power simply doesn&#8217;t work yet, and fission produces toxic byproducts that remain dangerous for centuries.
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		<title>by: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-58404</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The only way to beat the oil companies is to invest in alternative fuels.  Period.  However, ethanol is not that great.  If every stalk of corn in the USA were used for ethanol, it would only be able to make up for 12% of the gasoline used.  Even worse, considerable energy is lost in CREATING ethanol from corn, to the point where there is no energy gain whatsoever, just loss.  Both oil and ethanol are losers.

The only realistic hopes that I have heard of in terms of alternative fuels are electric cars and hydrogen fuel cells.  The problem with electric, however, is that we simply have too much of our electric grid using coal.  What will result is that you will have more fossil fuels being emitted from coal, rather than oil.  The way this could be remedied is by nuclear power.  More solar and wind farms won't cut it.  It is too bad, though, that all the radical environmentalists, most of who know very little of economics, won't let them get built.

Another problem with electric cars is that their batteries will eventually lose charge over time, meaning that each recharge gradually holds less and less power.

Now that we are down to hydrogen fuel cells, I do have to admit that it will require a considerable investment.  However, it yields no pollution whatsoever.  The fuel cell battery also does not require recharging.  It is realistically the only sustainable, permanent fuel solution for America, unless of course the majority of the electric grid switches over to Nuclear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to beat the oil companies is to invest in alternative fuels.  Period.  However, ethanol is not that great.  If every stalk of corn in the USA were used for ethanol, it would only be able to make up for 12% of the gasoline used.  Even worse, considerable energy is lost in CREATING ethanol from corn, to the point where there is no energy gain whatsoever, just loss.  Both oil and ethanol are losers.</p>
<p>The only realistic hopes that I have heard of in terms of alternative fuels are electric cars and hydrogen fuel cells.  The problem with electric, however, is that we simply have too much of our electric grid using coal.  What will result is that you will have more fossil fuels being emitted from coal, rather than oil.  The way this could be remedied is by nuclear power.  More solar and wind farms won&#8217;t cut it.  It is too bad, though, that all the radical environmentalists, most of who know very little of economics, won&#8217;t let them get built.</p>
<p>Another problem with electric cars is that their batteries will eventually lose charge over time, meaning that each recharge gradually holds less and less power.</p>
<p>Now that we are down to hydrogen fuel cells, I do have to admit that it will require a considerable investment.  However, it yields no pollution whatsoever.  The fuel cell battery also does not require recharging.  It is realistically the only sustainable, permanent fuel solution for America, unless of course the majority of the electric grid switches over to Nuclear.
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		<title>by: SpongeDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-57528</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually Adam, the mom and pop stores make the money from gum, etc.  Speedway is a subsidiary of Marathon oil...so they get their gas cheaper than Mom &amp;#38; Pop.  But that is beside the point, putting Speedway into bankruptcy would put a dent in the pocket of Marathon oil, would it not?

And I totally agree about making oil obsolete.  I think it is a shame that the Amtrak system in this nation has been let to go to crap, while airlines get bailout after bailout at taxpayer expense.

I would totally accept a surtax on gasoline just to subsidize mass transit.

I walk when I can, and I refuse to fly.  However, the nearest Amtrak station to my home is 3 hours away.
I have not driven my vehicle for four days, I am doing all I can.

In the meantime, the consumers need a way to vent their anger...or soon the government will be setting price controls.  Once that happens, there will be no turning back.

One of my fans has been involved with alternative fuels for about 20 years.  Vic tells me that there is no way, politically, that we will switch to them in our lifetimes.  The oil lobby is too powerful.

Be well,

Sponge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Adam, the mom and pop stores make the money from gum, etc.  Speedway is a subsidiary of Marathon oil&#8230;so they get their gas cheaper than Mom &amp; Pop.  But that is beside the point, putting Speedway into bankruptcy would put a dent in the pocket of Marathon oil, would it not?</p>
<p>And I totally agree about making oil obsolete.  I think it is a shame that the Amtrak system in this nation has been let to go to crap, while airlines get bailout after bailout at taxpayer expense.</p>
<p>I would totally accept a surtax on gasoline just to subsidize mass transit.</p>
<p>I walk when I can, and I refuse to fly.  However, the nearest Amtrak station to my home is 3 hours away.<br />
I have not driven my vehicle for four days, I am doing all I can.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the consumers need a way to vent their anger&#8230;or soon the government will be setting price controls.  Once that happens, there will be no turning back.</p>
<p>One of my fans has been involved with alternative fuels for about 20 years.  Vic tells me that there is no way, politically, that we will switch to them in our lifetimes.  The oil lobby is too powerful.</p>
<p>Be well,</p>
<p>Sponge
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		<title>by: Adam Messinger</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-57509</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 18:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If convenience store owners make their money from in-store products instead of gasoline, how does boycotting those products hurt the oil companies? The oil companies are still selling gas, so you're only hurting the convenience store owner.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but your proposal doesn't seem to make a bit of sense. If we want the crazy gas prices to stop, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adammessinger.com/2007/05/14/no-gas-day-wont-work&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we'll have to make oil obsolete&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If convenience store owners make their money from in-store products instead of gasoline, how does boycotting those products hurt the oil companies? The oil companies are still selling gas, so you&#8217;re only hurting the convenience store owner.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something here, but your proposal doesn&#8217;t seem to make a bit of sense. If we want the crazy gas prices to stop, <a href="http://www.adammessinger.com/2007/05/14/no-gas-day-wont-work" rel="nofollow">we&#8217;ll have to make oil obsolete</a>.
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		<title>by: SpongeDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-57489</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Some have commented that boycotting a single oil company will be ineffective. But on my own website I note to boycott a convenience store.  This may not have an effect on gas prices overall, but it is a way for the consumer to take out their rage on those companies that are first to raise prices.  Otherwise people fall for the &quot;no gas day&quot; baloney or beg the government to step in, both of which are ineffective.

Please read my &quot;Boycott&quot; essay here.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spongedaddy.com/SpongeOsophy/BOYCOTT.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.spongedaddy.com/SpongeOsophy/BOYCOTT.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have commented that boycotting a single oil company will be ineffective. But on my own website I note to boycott a convenience store.  This may not have an effect on gas prices overall, but it is a way for the consumer to take out their rage on those companies that are first to raise prices.  Otherwise people fall for the &#8220;no gas day&#8221; baloney or beg the government to step in, both of which are ineffective.</p>
<p>Please read my &#8220;Boycott&#8221; essay here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spongedaddy.com/SpongeOsophy/BOYCOTT.html" rel="nofollow"><a href='http://www.spongedaddy.com/SpongeOsophy/BOYCOTT.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.spongedaddy.com/SpongeOsophy/BOYCOTT.html</a></a>
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		<title>by: No Gas Day Won&#8217;t Work. Here&#8217;s What Will. (8 Ways to Sunday)</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-57177</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 05:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I don&amp;#8217;t remember how I first received the No Gas Day e-mail in 2004. According to Snopes.com, this call to action has been circulating in some form since 1999. This year, it&amp;#8217;s more popular than ever. The problem with No Gas Day is that, good as it sounds, it won&amp;#8217;t actually hurt the oil companies or drive down prices. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I don&#8217;t remember how I first received the No Gas Day e-mail in 2004. According to Snopes.com, this call to action has been circulating in some form since 1999. This year, it&#8217;s more popular than ever. The problem with No Gas Day is that, good as it sounds, it won&#8217;t actually hurt the oil companies or drive down prices. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Adam Messinger</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-56958</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 23:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good point, Tom.</description>
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		<title>by: Tom Dwyer</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-56791</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Please let me point out that a boycott of a single oil company for a month is useless.  First of all, in order for a boycott to be effective, you actually have to decrease your consumption of the commodity.  Moving your purchase from Speedway to BP only means that BP is going to sell more gas, and where are they going to get that extra gas?  They're going to buy it from somebody that has extra gas...say Speedway.  In order to affect an industry, you have to boycott that industry, not just the individual companies in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please let me point out that a boycott of a single oil company for a month is useless.  First of all, in order for a boycott to be effective, you actually have to decrease your consumption of the commodity.  Moving your purchase from Speedway to BP only means that BP is going to sell more gas, and where are they going to get that extra gas?  They&#8217;re going to buy it from somebody that has extra gas&#8230;say Speedway.  In order to affect an industry, you have to boycott that industry, not just the individual companies in it.
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		<title>by: Adam Messinger</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/05/17/no-gas-day-probably-a-bust#comment-56704</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 22:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Roger,

A month-long boycott of a single gas company &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; bite their profits enough to hurt, but I don't think you'd ever get the participation rate high enough for it to work. People just aren't inconvenienced enough (yet) to bother with that much effort.

Even if you could get a significant number of people on board for a single-company boycott, pulling it off isn't as easy as it might seem. Not every gas station is operated by an oil company. Convenience stores like QuikTrip and 7-11 sell gasoline, but who do they buy it from? Do all their stores have the same supplier, or does it vary from franchise to franchise?

This is a complicated problem that needs a multi-faceted solution. I know people are pissed off and want to lash out at the oil industry, but a simple &quot;stick it to 'em&quot; approach just won't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger,</p>
<p>A month-long boycott of a single gas company <em>might</em> bite their profits enough to hurt, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d ever get the participation rate high enough for it to work. People just aren&#8217;t inconvenienced enough (yet) to bother with that much effort.</p>
<p>Even if you could get a significant number of people on board for a single-company boycott, pulling it off isn&#8217;t as easy as it might seem. Not every gas station is operated by an oil company. Convenience stores like QuikTrip and 7-11 sell gasoline, but who do they buy it from? Do all their stores have the same supplier, or does it vary from franchise to franchise?</p>
<p>This is a complicated problem that needs a multi-faceted solution. I know people are pissed off and want to lash out at the oil industry, but a simple &#8220;stick it to &#8216;em&#8221; approach just won&#8217;t work.
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