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		<title>by: Winchester Police arrest Student for Zombie Story</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-9240</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-8087</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Exactly, Xolleen.  This is absolutely ridiculous.  They didn't find a written confession, all they found was a private journal entry and then a badly written (but constitutional) piece he was going to turn into school.  This is ridiculous.  I can only really express that so much, but this is really overwhelmingly stupid.  I don't have anything nice to say about the people trying to send this kid to jail.  And to make it an issue of terrorism is just a kick in the pants for everyone trying to lend credibility to the war on terror.  I think this kid should not only be sent free, but compensated for the stupidity of ths situation.  My god I can't believe how...  Oh god... I'm so deppressed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Xolleen.  This is absolutely ridiculous.  They didn&#8217;t find a written confession, all they found was a private journal entry and then a badly written (but constitutional) piece he was going to turn into school.  This is ridiculous.  I can only really express that so much, but this is really overwhelmingly stupid.  I don&#8217;t have anything nice to say about the people trying to send this kid to jail.  And to make it an issue of terrorism is just a kick in the pants for everyone trying to lend credibility to the war on terror.  I think this kid should not only be sent free, but compensated for the stupidity of ths situation.  My god I can&#8217;t believe how&#8230;  Oh god&#8230; I&#8217;m so deppressed now.
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		<title>by: Xolleen</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4698</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the reason they're doing this is because the Columbine shooters were found to have journals and website's talking about the same stuff William was talking about. But that doesn't constitute arresting him when we wasn't found with evidence. I'm curious to know how they are thinking they'll convict him. Honestly, where is the evidence? I don't see any, and I've been looking for about a week or a convicting statement in the excerpts from his journal and have found none. This is comments from a teenager! Who's to say that he wasn't just venting his anger?

Xolleen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason they&#8217;re doing this is because the Columbine shooters were found to have journals and website&#8217;s talking about the same stuff William was talking about. But that doesn&#8217;t constitute arresting him when we wasn&#8217;t found with evidence. I&#8217;m curious to know how they are thinking they&#8217;ll convict him. Honestly, where is the evidence? I don&#8217;t see any, and I&#8217;ve been looking for about a week or a convicting statement in the excerpts from his journal and have found none. This is comments from a teenager! Who&#8217;s to say that he wasn&#8217;t just venting his anger?</p>
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		<title>by: SGAE247</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4697</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have been following this story for a short time now. I find it interesting that this whole case is based on the grounds that Poole wrote his thoughts down in a note book. Poole has yet to be proven to have any weapons ready, any explosives , anything  beyond the means of his own imagination. Yet his grandparents turn him over to the police with only a notebook and their own ideas as to what he might do. All this fallowing the Jeff Weise incident.  This leads my mind to wonder if the grandparents acted out of the best interest of community or their own shared fear that they maybe the first characters in his story to get the ax. Next I would like to move on to the issue of freedom of speech which is not limited to what one may say but write in the privacy of their home. Finally I would like to address a very simple to see difference between this student and our other high school shooters. Poole has yet to be labled as a fanatic of any kind. Poole is not been found to be a self or otherwise proclaimed radical, nazi, or Extremist of any kind. Poole was not found hiding any weaponry of any kind. Poole has as yet even been proven have anymore a dislike much less blind seething hate for his school then any adverage teenager. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following this story for a short time now. I find it interesting that this whole case is based on the grounds that Poole wrote his thoughts down in a note book. Poole has yet to be proven to have any weapons ready, any explosives , anything  beyond the means of his own imagination. Yet his grandparents turn him over to the police with only a notebook and their own ideas as to what he might do. All this fallowing the Jeff Weise incident.  This leads my mind to wonder if the grandparents acted out of the best interest of community or their own shared fear that they maybe the first characters in his story to get the ax. Next I would like to move on to the issue of freedom of speech which is not limited to what one may say but write in the privacy of their home. Finally I would like to address a very simple to see difference between this student and our other high school shooters. Poole has yet to be labled as a fanatic of any kind. Poole is not been found to be a self or otherwise proclaimed radical, nazi, or Extremist of any kind. Poole was not found hiding any weaponry of any kind. Poole has as yet even been proven have anymore a dislike much less blind seething hate for his school then any adverage teenager.
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		<title>by: Xblackheart</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4173</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah.. I know some pretty stupid Yankees too.  

From what I can see, we haven't got a lock on stupidity in the south.

Hell look around, I'm sure you can spot someone stupid, it's not like they are rare anywhere.  



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.. I know some pretty stupid Yankees too.  </p>
<p>From what I can see, we haven&#8217;t got a lock on stupidity in the south.</p>
<p>Hell look around, I&#8217;m sure you can spot someone stupid, it&#8217;s not like they are rare anywhere.
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		<title>by: Adam M.</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4040</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dante: I've known some Southerners who don't fit that stereotype, but the ones that do sure are ruining it for everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dante: I&#8217;ve known some Southerners who don&#8217;t fit that stereotype, but the ones that do sure are ruining it for everyone else.
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		<title>by: Dante Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4039</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Southerners are the most myopic, narrow minded morons to ever walk the earth. Let's give them their own planet :)</description>
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		<title>by: Adam M.</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4036</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Allyn, thanks for the &lt;em&gt;excellent&lt;/em&gt; comment.

I went to the post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://zerointelligence.net/archives/000347.php&quot; title=&quot;student arrested for threatening school with zombie invasion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zero Intelligence&lt;/a&gt; and read the comments left by &quot;Icarus&quot; for myself.

Icarus doesn't write like 90% of high school students. &quot;Heretofore&quot;? &quot;Perhaps this might illuminate matters&quot;? He also talks about high school as though he is outside of it, not a part of it: &quot;&lt;em&gt;This student's&lt;/em&gt; claim lacks credibility.&quot; Then there's the follow-up comment on ZI by &quot;Dementia,&quot; noting that she'd read a conservative newspaper column on the story that said some of the same things as Icarus...

I smell FUD. Either &quot;Icarus&quot; isn't who he claims, or this is a socially isolated English geek. If it's the later, he might have his own bitter reasons for posting those comments. I'm a former socially isolated English geek myself, so I know whereof I speak. However, I had the benefit of learning by my Junior year not to give a flying fuck what other students thought of me.

It's a lesson I wholeheartedly recommend for high school students of any intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allyn, thanks for the <em>excellent</em> comment.</p>
<p>I went to the post on <a href="http://zerointelligence.net/archives/000347.php" title="student arrested for threatening school with zombie invasion" rel="nofollow">Zero Intelligence</a> and read the comments left by &#8220;Icarus&#8221; for myself.</p>
<p>Icarus doesn&#8217;t write like 90% of high school students. &#8220;Heretofore&#8221;? &#8220;Perhaps this might illuminate matters&#8221;? He also talks about high school as though he is outside of it, not a part of it: &#8220;<em>This student&#8217;s</em> claim lacks credibility.&#8221; Then there&#8217;s the follow-up comment on ZI by &#8220;Dementia,&#8221; noting that she&#8217;d read a conservative newspaper column on the story that said some of the same things as Icarus&#8230;</p>
<p>I smell FUD. Either &#8220;Icarus&#8221; isn&#8217;t who he claims, or this is a socially isolated English geek. If it&#8217;s the later, he might have his own bitter reasons for posting those comments. I&#8217;m a former socially isolated English geek myself, so I know whereof I speak. However, I had the benefit of learning by my Junior year not to give a flying fuck what other students thought of me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lesson I wholeheartedly recommend for high school students of any intelligence.
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		<title>by: Allyn</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-4035</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've been following this story for a few days.  Thanks to a commenter on my own blog, I've tracked down &lt;a href=&quot;http://zerointelligence.net/archives/000347.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the perspective of a student at the high school involved&lt;/a&gt;.  The poster's handle is &quot;Icarus.&quot;  And Icarus has a very different perspective on matters.

The former debate coach in me wants to tear apart the four assertions Icarus makes.  What the frell, let's indulge that whim, shall we?

(a) Poole's story about the journal material changed (first it was an assignment for vocational school, then an English assignment -- except, says the source, Poole doesn't have an English class this term).

1) We only have Icarus' word that the story changed, as (s)he is the only person stating that the writings were written for anything other than an English class.

2) Even if Poole doesn't have an English class this semester, why must the story have been written recently?  It could have been written for a class previous semester.

(b) The source also claims that Poole has previously been in trouble for fighting at school,

1) Poole is stated to be an 18 year-old junior.  He may have poor grades.  He may be a disciplinary problem.  But these are suggestive, not conclusive.  We can't leap from them to the conclusion that fighting at school is an automatic step toward terrorism, because...

2) It's non-unique.  Many kids get in trouble for fighting at school.  Hell, I threw a punch in a wiffle ball game back in ninth-grade, and that's about as trivial a reason for throwing a punch as you can get.

(c) that the written material included detailed information on the real high school's security camera system,

I lived in Kentucky for ten months.  No, I would rather not talk about the experience.  In this case, though, I will.

ABC broadcast Amerika in February 1987, if memory serves.  I remember watching it, the story of how the Soviet Union conquered the United States, broke the nation down into smaller parts, and how people reacted to the changes in life that came about because of that.

I don't remember it very well.  I do remember that I thought it had some interesting ideas.

Frankly, Amerika was more interesting than my classes, and I would spend hours doodling ideas in class.  If the Soviets attacked Barbourville, where would be the best place to set up a redoubt?  What about rigging recoilless howitzers?  Would it make sense to hole up in the high school?  I filled a notebook with nonsense like that.  Was I planning a high school takeover?  Was I mapping out the school?  No, it just happened that Barbourville City School happened to be the one building in town other than my house with which I had any familiarity, so it naturally figured into my plans.

I would be willing to bet that for William Poole, George Rogers Clark High School has the same familiarity.  It's what he knows, and it's so often said, &quot;Write what you know&quot; that it would make sense that he would use the school, even anonymously.

(d) and that Poole's sister has read the material and doesn't consider it fiction.

If, as the reports indicate, what Poole wrote wasn't a story but notes toward a story, it wouldn't necessarily be fiction.  Or at least, not obvious as fiction.

I'm a writer, with a published novella and short story under the belt.  Different writers have different working styles.  Some of my working notes look completely unlike anything with narrative or character.  One short story for the Star Trek: Strange New Worlds contest had five pages of notes on the physics of engaging the warp drive within a Type-III Dyson Sphere.  Tell me that someone reading that and not knowing what it was for would have any frelling idea what I was on about.

If Poole works in a similar manner, his notes may have looked like one thing when they were actually something very different.

I'm not saying that Icarus is wrong in any of the assertions made, but reasonable arguments against each of them can be made.  Indeed, Icarus could be right on everything.  The trouble is, I find the idea of a student being arrested for writing a story about zombies to be completely credible.  It sounds fantastic.  It sounds impossible.  And yet, in these Orwellian days it sounds all too plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following this story for a few days.  Thanks to a commenter on my own blog, I&#8217;ve tracked down <a href="http://zerointelligence.net/archives/000347.php" rel="nofollow">the perspective of a student at the high school involved</a>.  The poster&#8217;s handle is &#8220;Icarus.&#8221;  And Icarus has a very different perspective on matters.</p>
<p>The former debate coach in me wants to tear apart the four assertions Icarus makes.  What the frell, let&#8217;s indulge that whim, shall we?</p>
<p>(a) Poole&#8217;s story about the journal material changed (first it was an assignment for vocational school, then an English assignment &#8212; except, says the source, Poole doesn&#8217;t have an English class this term).</p>
<p>1) We only have Icarus&#8217; word that the story changed, as (s)he is the only person stating that the writings were written for anything other than an English class.</p>
<p>2) Even if Poole doesn&#8217;t have an English class this semester, why must the story have been written recently?  It could have been written for a class previous semester.</p>
<p>(b) The source also claims that Poole has previously been in trouble for fighting at school,</p>
<p>1) Poole is stated to be an 18 year-old junior.  He may have poor grades.  He may be a disciplinary problem.  But these are suggestive, not conclusive.  We can&#8217;t leap from them to the conclusion that fighting at school is an automatic step toward terrorism, because&#8230;</p>
<p>2) It&#8217;s non-unique.  Many kids get in trouble for fighting at school.  Hell, I threw a punch in a wiffle ball game back in ninth-grade, and that&#8217;s about as trivial a reason for throwing a punch as you can get.</p>
<p>(c) that the written material included detailed information on the real high school&#8217;s security camera system,</p>
<p>I lived in Kentucky for ten months.  No, I would rather not talk about the experience.  In this case, though, I will.</p>
<p>ABC broadcast Amerika in February 1987, if memory serves.  I remember watching it, the story of how the Soviet Union conquered the United States, broke the nation down into smaller parts, and how people reacted to the changes in life that came about because of that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember it very well.  I do remember that I thought it had some interesting ideas.</p>
<p>Frankly, Amerika was more interesting than my classes, and I would spend hours doodling ideas in class.  If the Soviets attacked Barbourville, where would be the best place to set up a redoubt?  What about rigging recoilless howitzers?  Would it make sense to hole up in the high school?  I filled a notebook with nonsense like that.  Was I planning a high school takeover?  Was I mapping out the school?  No, it just happened that Barbourville City School happened to be the one building in town other than my house with which I had any familiarity, so it naturally figured into my plans.</p>
<p>I would be willing to bet that for William Poole, George Rogers Clark High School has the same familiarity.  It&#8217;s what he knows, and it&#8217;s so often said, &#8220;Write what you know&#8221; that it would make sense that he would use the school, even anonymously.</p>
<p>(d) and that Poole&#8217;s sister has read the material and doesn&#8217;t consider it fiction.</p>
<p>If, as the reports indicate, what Poole wrote wasn&#8217;t a story but notes toward a story, it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be fiction.  Or at least, not obvious as fiction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a writer, with a published novella and short story under the belt.  Different writers have different working styles.  Some of my working notes look completely unlike anything with narrative or character.  One short story for the Star Trek: Strange New Worlds contest had five pages of notes on the physics of engaging the warp drive within a Type-III Dyson Sphere.  Tell me that someone reading that and not knowing what it was for would have any frelling idea what I was on about.</p>
<p>If Poole works in a similar manner, his notes may have looked like one thing when they were actually something very different.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Icarus is wrong in any of the assertions made, but reasonable arguments against each of them can be made.  Indeed, Icarus could be right on everything.  The trouble is, I find the idea of a student being arrested for writing a story about zombies to be completely credible.  It sounds fantastic.  It sounds impossible.  And yet, in these Orwellian days it sounds all too plausible.
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		<title>by: Adam M.</title>
		<link>http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/03/01/ky-high-school-zombie-threat#comment-3967</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You won't get any arguments here, Tom.

For more unsettling news of the same sort, you might want to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neoflux.com/content/horrible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Our Horrible Children&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neoflux.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NeoFlux&lt;/a&gt;, both written by the same man. I don't agree with all of the author's politics, but he's dead-on when it comes to the stupidity of &quot;Zero-Tolerance&quot; school disciplinary policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t get any arguments here, Tom.</p>
<p>For more unsettling news of the same sort, you might want to check out <a href="http://www.neoflux.com/content/horrible/" rel="nofollow">Our Horrible Children</a> or <a href="http://www.neoflux.com/" rel="nofollow">NeoFlux</a>, both written by the same man. I don&#8217;t agree with all of the author&#8217;s politics, but he&#8217;s dead-on when it comes to the stupidity of &#8220;Zero-Tolerance&#8221; school disciplinary policies.
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